Meteor Phoenix: Rising from the Ashes to Spark New Developer Passion

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@jam

If Meteor had a better realtime scaling story, it would be much more sought after,

Agreed. A strong example app will be needed here, once we get there, that can attract people on sites like HackerNews, etc.

@jam

Beyond realtime scaling issues, my sense is that there was a lot of confusion back in the day sparked by the move away from Blaze and the focus switch from DDP to Apollo graphql — that pushed people away at the time.

Yes, that was the immediate issue which then lead that the real-time scaling issue wasn’t really resolved. The idea was that Apollo will be the solution, but when that became more lucrative than Meteor (thanks to people pealing off due to the Blaze v React issue), it never got resolved.

@jam

IMO, Meteor could benefit from the Apple-style major yearly release

I believe we should mirror Node’s releases. It is predictable and well known, plus we depend on them as well.

@jam

It’d also be cool to see it coupled with a conference, ideally in person and streamed live.

I think Meteor Impact is the best we can do now. We will need to grow community and the money going into it to expand further (though there are some options coming up for the live part).

@jam

I have more thoughts but this is getting long in the tooth.

I think this might be a good idea for a talk for Impact.

Submit a Talk - MeteorJS Impact Conference

@lucfranken

And exactly that core piece is not being told anymore. Everything goes about tech, performance and other stuff.

@lucfranken

The dev time spent seems to be on the behind the scenes improvements. Which are noteworthy, things are getting better. But the real Meteor experience does not get the attention anymore.

Very much agree, but there is a split in community between returning to that paradigm where we had {{> loginButtons}} and being more open and flexible. The issue is how to resolve the front-end splintering. One possible solution is here:

Modernizing Meteor ideas: `<blaze-component>` Custom Element (Web Component)

We’re trying to “make Meteor great again”: I think Meteor is still great! But! It is in need of modernization. So, let’s build get there one step at a time: One problem Meteor has is that accounts-ui is built with Blaze, and therefore is not compatible with template systems of React, Vue, Angular, Svelte, Solid, etc. Solution: a <blaze-component> Custom Element Custom Elements are native HTML elements defined in JavaScript. I have a custom element I made locally called <blaze-component> t…