Why do Windows users keep suffering?

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As @sashko wrote:

During the demo in the keynote today, they showed emacs and ruby running natively on Windows using their new Ubuntu subsystem; it looks like fully baked in, symlinks and all.

Basically, the answer to @ffxsam’s question is that the “Windows users suffering” appears to finally be over (for > Windows 10).

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Yeah, it’s a bit of a shame, since it seems most people are still on Windows 8 or 7. Maybe by that time more people will upgrade to 10.

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With the today’s announcement things have changed completely and sooner Windows users will be able to use beautiful linux tools and programs.

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As a long time Windows user circa Windows 3.0 or maybe earlier, I can tell you that Windows users don’t know any better. It’s what people told us to use and Macs were for desktop publishers and graphics people. A few years ago, fed up with Windows 7 (been fed up with Windows longer, but finally got really fed up), I started using various Linux flavors at home. A light bulb went on when I began to have real control of my development environment and wasn’t bogged down with the slowness of Windows. I use Linux Mint because it’s clean and my wife can use it easily, but it allows me to do everything I need to do. It’s all about exposure. Anyone that goes from Windows to Linux, particularly Mint IME, won’t go back. Fast forward to Meteor 1.3. Updating on my Linux Mint machines went without a blip, while my Windows 10 machine is dead in the water and can’t even create a new app at this writing.

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“Slowness of Windows”.

Right. :rolling_eyes:

I’ve gone back from Linux several times, by the way.

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Personally if Windows has complete Linux support soon, I’m going to buy the next Surface. Personally not a fan of Mac OS, here’s the long-winded post to prove it:

https://www.quora.com/To-Windows-fans-what-does-Windows-do-that-makes-you-love-them-so-much

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Interesting. Lots of good points in that post, though a few counter-opinions:

  1. Drivers, I hate 'em. :slight_smile: (another commenter mentioned this) For me, it was the huge drawback of Windows when I used to use it. I really like that with Mac OS, I just plug something in, and it works. No driver install necessary.
  2. “It’s still not really possible to get a glance at all of the windows you have open for a certain application on a Mac without installing third-party plugins.” Exposé lets you see all windows belonging to the currently active application. But you’re right, if the app is not active, there’s no way to see window previews for it without doing Exposé for all apps.

Other than that, I think it boils down to preference. No doubt Mac OS is much better suited (at the moment) for web dev, but that’s obviously changing. I used to be a Windows user for many years, but I jumped ship due to BSOD hell while trying to get stuff done (driver conflicts or poorly-written drivers). That’s the one hardware advantage that Apple has, is that each machine is built a very specific way and tested, and there are no surprises. I used to build my own PCs, and it was sometimes a crap shoot whether hardware would play nice together.

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I think that’s mostly the case with Windows, unless you have some really underground hardware, in case good luck finding a driver for mac. For example, a lot of my DJ hardware doesn’t have drivers for the newest Mac OS…

But this is probably off topic for the thread :stuck_out_tongue:

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After years of using Linux I switched to Windows because of work (easier to do remote work with the company’s environment) and I do not miss it at all. If anything it felt like going from Rails to Meteor.

It’s hard to put into words but I’ll try. With Linux I always felt like I had to know the OS, just like with Rails I had to know how data moves between client and server. With Windows I have a good understanding of what goes on, I just don’t feel like I need that information to be productive. With Meteor I know very well how data moves between client and server, but for the most part I don’t think about it. With both Windows and Meteor I feel like there isn’t anything to “master”, I just go about my business and they get out of the way.

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Oh we should chat… :slight_smile:

PS: Take my opinions with a grain of salt, I left Windows at XP. :smirk:

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Mint is great! They had solved a lot of wireless & trackpad issues way before Ubuntu did. Though I’m curious to see how Ubuntu 16.04 fares.

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I thought they (Apple/Native Instruments) fixed the AU issues? Or do you mean something else?

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This announcement was what got my sysadmin to finally stop dragging his feet on “approving” windows 10 for us!

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Anyone successfully get 1.3 and Windows 10 to work? Mine still hangs at meteor create myapp.